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Taemu_touhi

RE: How often to restock darts?

Greetings Britnerf!

My Nerf group changes their koosh dart pool (complete replacement) every 3 months, where we run 3 hour sessions every week. However I feel that the restock timing is too long, as towards the end of the 3 month period our darts are mangled and are unreliable in any magazine-fed blaster.

How often do other people restock their dart stocks?
Or is it just that my group is too rough with our darts.
old_man_nerf

We just weed out the duff darts on a monthly basis so no stated replacement time, just a rolling restock as we go along.
Treezy

I can't say exactly what my local group  (Bristol Blast) does with their pool, other than folks weeding out crap ones when they go to reload from the pool.

However, I would be happy to take one of the big tubs back with me after an event and spend an evening going through and binning all the duff ones, then seperating all the rest into "good" and "possibly not good", ready for the next event. Oddly enough I imagine it'd be quite theraputic.
L11

Generally I sift through the dart pool after every war and remove the dud and old darts (and FVJ's).

At Bristol Blast,  we are regularly stocking up on darts and tend to bulk buy 1000 at a time to save on cash. I would say these days we buy 1000 every 2 wars, however we have a large player base and run through allot of darts.

It will become obvious when darts need replacing and regular checks will ensure you remove the rubbish and old darts from the pool.

Regarding the old darts, ON made a good suggestion that instead of binning them, I bag them up and sell them to the younger attendees of the wars for cheap. That way they can use them as plinkers and have fun outside of the wars.
Rab

I had thought the complete change out thing might be the way to go, ok so there might be some darts getting binned that are ok, but for how long.

Why not switch to waffle tips, theyre cheapef than koosh so just change out more frequently for thd same cost ?
SirBrass

I toss trashed darts as I find them during the day, and weak darts get weeded out at the end as we're sorting through whose darts are whose (I use koosh darts and  pink & white waffleheads and other folks use different colored darts or uniquely marked) at the end of the day.
OldNoob

I sift monthly. Just get in the habit of buying 2-400 darts per month and adding them to the pool. X tip waffle darts are half the price of a Koosh and are better, see my post on waffle tips.
bigal123

Yep pretty much same as above. I do a full dart sift and count after every game and toss any thing I think would cause problems then generally top up with a few hundred new ones each month. Used Waffle (stacked) tips in the pool for the first time last night and was very impressed with them, especially in the modded blasters, some great feedback from a couple of players as well about them.
OldNoob

With having to take EVERY SINGLE new koosh out the pool from my last BW12 order as the tip glue fails I am more convinced by waffles. The only downside is they are not as good in pistols or more stock stuff due to the greater mass. There's a place for Koosh in those but at twice the price and all broken I am relying on my old yellow ones right now.
Anyone else bought Koosh recently? Did my batch just suck because I bought a different colour?
Boff

Ordered a couple of hundred black and green Koosh from babygiraffe2006 on ebay a few weeks ago and have had no dead problems. That said, bg2006 do tend to lag in terms of stock. I'll keep buying them and keep people updated because I need 1g test darts for GC.
Taemu_touhi

Cheers all!

Will get some waffle tips for the next order. We'll aim to at least sort through the darts on a monthly basis.
FDT

Yup we go through darts after every event and bin the duds. Don't want players receiving trash darts at an event.
SirBrass

OldNoob wrote:
-SNIP- The only downside is they are not as good in pistols or more stock stuff due to the greater mass. -SNIP-


This is where Nerf Accustrike darts have their place. You don't really need as many darts for pistol (or other front loading) blasters, so the high cost of Accustrike darts is mitigated there. I use my accustrikes exclusively in our hammershots and Roughcut.

EDIT

Please try to keep quotes shorter than the reply by trimming them down to the relevant part of the post.

SSGT

SSGT

SirBrass wrote:
OldNoob wrote:
The only downside is they are not as good in pistols or more stock stuff due to the greater mass.

This is where Nerf Accustrike darts have their place.


The same should apply to Accustrike darts since they also have a greater mass than Elites/Koosh. Given the price (around 8 for 24 over here) I'd probably go for waffle-tips over Accustrike and stick to Koosh if the additional mass has too much of an impact on muzzle velocity. If you only use them in a sidearm it's not as bad (like you say, you don't need as many) but buying the cheaper Koosh means you can go even longer between restocks (unless tip glue quality does start becoming a widespread issue again).

At the minute I still have enough old stock gen3 Koosh to last a while but like a lot of others I just tend to remove them from my main pool as and when they wear out, at which point I either put them into a pool of more heavily used darts or just let others take them away from games if they want them (a surprising number of people at uni expected to leave games with the same number of darts they came with regardless of their condition which just ends up draining the society's pool).
OldNoob

Accustrike are just a heavier tip dart, there's no magic involved in them at all.
Dart tuning is extremely simple, the harder you shoot the greater the tip mass required to maintain stable flight. If you are shooting less than 95-100fps then a 1g dart with a tip mass of 0.7g will fly furthest and fastest without a corresponding drop in accuracy. If you are shooting higher then a slightly heavier tip, between 0.75 and 0.9g or a shorter "tail" as in Stefans, will produce straighter flight with the down side of a more curved trajectory, sometimes with a pronounced drop at the end as velocity drops off quicker.
As noted above Accuhype darts are extremely expensive here. I can have 200 waffles, with a choice of 3 tip weights, for the price of 30 Accuhype darts.
SirBrass

For cost to performance, waffleheads are the go-to, but {edit} accustrikes are a good middle ground between wafflehead weight but heavier than elites/kooshes. So you won't have as severe of a range drop from accustrikes in pistols compared to waffleheads but have better groupings than elite darts. That's what I meant by my last post.
NerfNoob

Because I'm only playing at home at the moment, when I get new darts I actually mark the older ones with a sharpie.  I like to keep track of them and have batches of used, semi-used and new darts.

I then ensure that I give my wife the older darts whilst I use the newer ones  Twisted Evil

But seriously, I'm tight fisted and currently have a batch of Elites that should probably be thrown away, but I keep them until they're ripped to shreds.  I'll keep them close by and shove them in the Jolt towards the end of a game when I'm low on ammo and getting desperate.
Northwind

For pool maintenance, what you really need is someone that likes sorting darts. I find it immensely relaxing Smile Especially when buying joblots with used darts

The accustrike darts are actually bloody good tbh, and if they cost about 1/5th as much as they do there'd be much to recommend them. Ah well.

I'm finally starting to work with numbers on the Epic Crono Test and it's too early to give real results, but my feeling is it's going to end up something like this:

x-tipped waffle darts by default
koosh if you want max velocity out of a flywheeler
accustrike or knex if you're made of money

I'm slightly miffed about this because I have a buttload of kooshes and if I was buying today I'd probably get waffles, ah well.

I still don't have an accuracy test I like (by which I mean, something that gives a combination of repeatable meaningful results, and not being a total pain in the arse to do), I'd like to be able to say more than "waffle shoot more predictably than koosh" but that's all i've got for now.

(also, please can nobody ever say accuhype ever again, that's terrible) )
Treezy

Northwind: for an accuracy test you could rig up some sort of "wall" with a "window" in it; I'm imagining a large cardboard sheet with a hole cut in it, propped up in a doorway at the end of a corridor. Use a laser sight to ensure the demo blaster is always aimed at the same point through the "window" (it's not about the laser making for accuracy, it for ensuring consistency for each shot).

Fire off your set number of test shots, and count how many ended up through the hole. Repeat the test at different distances from the hole, aandtry different aperture sizes of the hole, EG 3' square, 2' square, 1' square. Yes, it's a lot of test shots to perform, but it'll give some indication of measureable accuracy.
Minky

You'd have to use a springer or keep an eye on the voltage in order to keep your revs as constant as possible I'd think.

EDIT

*cough* Keep threads on topic, thank you *cough* -Boff

Zenif

SirBrass wrote:
OldNoob wrote:
-SNIP- The only downside is they are not as good in pistols or more stock stuff due to the greater mass. -SNIP-


This is where Nerf Accustrike darts have their place.


I use whistlers in my hammershots and rough cut.. because they whistle and I like the taste. Wink

At the ranges you should use them pistols and roughcuts are pretty forgiving with heavier ammo and I should pick up some accustrike sometime.

That said at the last BB I found that if I whipped the hammershot down and flung the dart out as I fired it I got well over 120 ft easy.. terrible and inaccurate but watching them babies fly makes my heart weep.. Especially listening to the *whistle.... whiiiiiiissstttleee* of the darts going up and down and watching people scatter!
Taemu_touhi

In the process of ordering some waffle darts. Are all waffle darts made equally? In terms of their foam colour.

I have tried the gen3 yellow koosh darts and noticed they had more glue tip failures than our blue koosh; though it might have just been a bad batch.
OldNoob

Latest Koosh have had bad tip glue again. There don't seem to be any reported foam issues with waffles, Britnerf have tried fluoro white, purple, yellow, red and blue so far with just the odd tip failure.
Northwind

I did see one report of bad red x-tip waffles on reddit, both bad foam and bad adhesion (possibly both the same problem) But it seems isolated.

This is prettty provisional but the silver and red waffles seem the best. The x-tips that is, the stacked ones are decent but just a little bit behind on fps. I still have a few more to add to the nerdsheet.
NerfNoob

I've ordered the red X-Tip waffles. The foam is really thick and I'm impressed with it.

The heads do have a tiny gap between the foam if you pull on them or look closely, and when one of the heads came off it looked as though there was a minimal amount of glue trickled up one side of the stem and on one side of the head. I've only had them less than a week though so can't comment on how long they might last. I think the question is how well the stems are glued, because the heads are certainly lacking glue it would seem.

I have another 100 red on order, and 100 purple on the way too.  I don't have any flywheel blasters and I'm quite careful in the way I load and handle darts so I think they'll fare OK.

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