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OldNoob

ACC Darts Hit Ebay



If anyone has not seen these discussed elsewhere, they are a soft tipped clone of the Xplorer type dart, with great for getting lost black foam.
They first broke cover on Amazon.com but none of the sellers there would ship to the UK. They have now become available on EBay UK, from this seller and a couple of others I have a test batch on order. They are very cheap as well.
Elime_rawne

I am very hopeful for these... Especially at that price point!
OldNoob

I suspect they will be like the Buzz Bee Xtreme ones, the non suction kind. They weren't great, despite promising spec.
Boff

Does anywhere have an accurate mass for these yet? I had a quick Google and couldn't find them. If they're on eBay then I need to know so I can do my GC rules thing. Smile
OldNoob

I will get a weight, but won't be a while.
TopDart25

These darts should be ACCurate it says so on the dart body...
Northwind

Did anyone else get theirs yet?Overwhelming finding was they're shortlived- I got 20, I've done 5 passes with them and 10 are dead- heads ripped off and damaged foam, even firing into a soft cloth backstop.

I stupidly left my crono notes in the garage but they're nothing special, shooting out of a stock and OMW sprung EAT, a lipo'd stock motor RS and (because nobody gives them any love) a stock speedswarm they were within the elite ballpark for all from memory. (I don't have anything more powerful to test with) Accuracy/stability did seem better than elites

If you don't expect to shoot a particular dart more than 3 times, from losses or other attrition, I reckon they're fine. If you expect to reuse, then I reckon they are worthless. And I didn't find enough advantage to offset that other than the rock bottom price.

(I've not really compared with gen 3 kooshes, probably do that tomorrow... But I'm fast running out of darts!)
Elime_rawne

Ordered these when this thread popped up, have not received them yet Sad

Common consensus on reddit seems to be that they are not durable due to the tip not going that far into the dart and also there was mention that they are not great with flywheels... Can anyone confirm if that's the case?

On the plus side... Everyone says they achieve good groupings (relatively speaking)
OldNoob

The guys I trust (Temstar) to test right said theirs were fine in flywheels. I haven't received my shipment yet either. They are cheap enough that I wouldn't care about the tip failure as their colour will make  them get lost fast anyway. I promise to put some over the chrono when they arrive. They also reportedly shot very well out of turrets and sledgefire shells.
They are reported as under the GC weight limit as well.
Elime_rawne

Ah, brilliant. GC legality was going to be my next question.
Boff

Elime_rawne wrote:
Ah, brilliant. GC legality was going to be my next question.


Eh, sort of. I've not actually had chance to test them yet because my batch got swallowed by Royal Mail. If you've got some, bring them down to the stall and I'll have a gander at them. They're not to be used until that point. Smile
Northwind

Absolutely fine in a rapidstrike for me. I saw someone on reddit say they had a lot of jams with a stryfe, possibly a difference in pusher throw?

One thing I saw on reddit suggested they outperform kooshes etc by a greater margin with higher powered blasters; I can't test that, don't have any over 100fps or so
Elime_rawne

Classic Military Police... always telling us what we can and cant do...

/jk

If they arrive in time I will bring them to the stall.
old_man_nerf

Similar longevity for me. Tip stalk is very short.

Fine in a rapid strike, not so good in a demolisher (which I'm guessing is the same as a stryfe).

Koosh seem better (but that's based on subjective opinion rather than any measurable facts).
Northwind

Low grade numbers, to fill the place til someone does a better job... I'll run averages tomorrow at work but bottom line- in everything but my pack-hack 2S RS, they perform on par with blue voberries. Stock EAT, OMW Eat, stock speedswarm. In the RS they perform pretty much identically to used-but-good elites.

Course FPS is only half the story, in the RS they seem more accurate, no obvious difference in the others. No misfires, jams or other ill handling apart from the heads coming off.

Oh and I have done no pain test  Laughing
OldNoob

Mine arrived today! Initial testing- fine in the 5kg EAT, fairly hard bouncy rubber tips, they rebound like crazy. Not bad accuracy, up with FVJ.
Didn't play nice in a 130 Rapidstrike, with nice foam build up. It ripped a few heads off and there were several misfeeds and stoppages. I got one good flat shot in every 5 or so darts.
Elime_rawne

Took these to GC having received them on Friday morning and unfortunately they did not pass Green Cloaks standards due to the tips. Although they are springy they are a tad too hard, eye protection recommended.
Boff

Who made that ruling? Was it CarrierII or one of the ref team?
Elime_rawne

I passed a pack to Baldrick to show you guys whilst I set up my tent so I afraid I don't know who made the call.

On the bright side, I ordered 100 and had 400 shipped to me. Guess its karma.
Boff

Hmm... I shall prod Baldrick and my team and see what's what what. At least you have 300 free darts.
Northwind

Pain test: Pretty comparable to FVJs tbh, maybe a bit less bruising. They're softer but they're also pointier. I don't want to get shot in the eye with one.
Big_Poppa_Nerf.

Northwind wrote:
Pain test: Pretty comparable to FVJs tbh, maybe a bit less bruising. They're softer but they're also pointier. I don't want to get shot in the eye with one.


You are a true scientist. Thank you for your sacrifice.

What is the final verdict on accruacy? As this is the only thing that currently appeals. If they improve accuracy they would vastly improve our 'Tin Can Alley' games.
OldNoob

Tip/stem weight ratio is about the same as FVJ so flight characteristics should be fairly similar. They are very bouncy tips, they rebound everywhere.
OldNoob

Update- Chrono data is now added to the Chrono Forum, see that post.

I couldn't get these to reliably fire from either a 130 or 180 RS, they sucked in both. They are OK in the springers, i found the foam not nearly as good as better blue Koosh. I didn't find them any more accurate tan Koosh, but I shoot Koosh more often so may subconsciously compensate better for those.


Compatibility/Accuracy.

Measured at 20ft, EAT 5kg spring, 30 Darts

Hits- ACC 12 Koosh 16

Rapidpistol Tri Blade 2s

Hits- ACC NA Koosh 14

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